A rant about the fur trade...
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Quote: Team_Forti
Aye, of course there's no debate, hence rant
I try not to buy leather, and try to boycott companies or shops which use any kind of fur, but it's not easy. I've tried to become vegetarian as well, but always end up giving in.
Yes, we used to hunt for food and skin...but nowadays we do not need fur or leather. I still think humans should eat meat, but conditions need to be sorted out, it's the human race as a wholes arrogant opinion that they are superior and can do whatever they like to any species they like, because, y'know, Earth is there for the humans and all that. That's what p*sses me off.
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That's a new one.
Quote: SmylzHow many animals does it take to make a coat?
On Average…
21 - 45 coyote
18 - 54 lynx
45 - 135 possums
20 - 60 otters
42 – 126 foxes
40 – 120 raccoons
8 – 10 seals
60 – 180 mink
That's because they're slow workers.
Aye, of course there's no debate, hence rant
I try not to buy leather, and try to boycott companies or shops which use any kind of fur, but it's not easy. I've tried to become vegetarian as well, but always end up giving in.
Yes, we used to hunt for food and skin...but nowadays we do not need fur or leather. I still think humans should eat meat, but conditions need to be sorted out, it's the human race as a wholes arrogant opinion that they are superior and can do whatever they like to any species they like, because, y'know, Earth is there for the humans and all that. That's what p*sses me off.
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Wool
Most of the world's wool comes from Australia, where sheep undergo "mulesing," a gruesome mutilation in which large chunks of skin and flesh are cut from lambs' backsides without any painkillers. Each year, millions of sheep discarded by the Australian wool industry are crammed onto export ships to be sent to the Middle East. Sheep who survive the terrifying voyage are often dragged off trucks by their ears and legs, tied up, beaten, and have their throats slit while they are still conscious.
That's a new one.
Quote: LOSERHEAD07
Tis the truth.
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The world would be pretty much problem free without humans
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So you're one of the "human beings are superior to everything else because they are the most evolved" species? Not having a go, just wondering.
Bad Gillian *smacks with rolled up newspaper*
Tis the truth.
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you could solve everyones problems, but more would come along eventually. It's impossible to create a perfect problem free world. Unless you want everyone to be an exact clone of everyone else. it's differences that make things interesting, and differences that cause arguments, tensions, and problems. If everyone was exactly the same we'd still be monkeys in trees.
The world would be pretty much problem free without humans
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a "well" and a "duh". Survival instincts cause you to object to anything that threatens your well being and survival.
So you're one of the "human beings are superior to everything else because they are the most evolved" species? Not having a go, just wondering.
Quote: Adam_but_not_Joe
So?
Nothing else on the planet needs humans to survive, save domestic pets.
It wouldn't be any place to us without humans, but then we wouldn't be around so it wouldn't be a problem.
No-one sentient would know it exists
So?
Nothing else on the planet needs humans to survive, save domestic pets.
It wouldn't be any place to us without humans, but then we wouldn't be around so it wouldn't be a problem.
Quote: Smylz
s'alright.
what's this argument number 9 million we've had either here or on MSN over this issue
and to comment on what Landa said, despite it being done before, this is the most active I've seen a topic for several days now.
Haha, my opinions on this matter are always unpopular.
Sorry, I've had a bad day.
s'alright.
what's this argument number 9 million we've had either here or on MSN over this issue
and to comment on what Landa said, despite it being done before, this is the most active I've seen a topic for several days now.
Disclaimer: I do not think humans should be exterminated and I do not condone war of any kind, I just simply suggest they are sometimes delusional about how important they are
You have a cool name.
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In that case it's ok that you told me to go and commit suicide.
And it's hardly active, just a public msn argument
You have a cool name.
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s'alright.
In that case it's ok that you told me to go and commit suicide.
And it's hardly active, just a public msn argument
Quote: Adam_but_not_Joe
Point taken
I just worry that the bad is going to outweigh the good and we're going to be responsible for the total destruction of a planet, in one way or another. And the lack of people who care or even recognise this annoys me. But what can ye do eh?
However, to say they are uninmportant is to overlook everything humanity has achieved in its very short time on this earth.
Point taken
I just worry that the bad is going to outweigh the good and we're going to be responsible for the total destruction of a planet, in one way or another. And the lack of people who care or even recognise this annoys me. But what can ye do eh?
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Quote: LOSERHEAD07
i felt like what Landa said was a bit of a moot point. If she thought that the subject had been mentioned too many times, maybe she should've just ignored the thread.
Quote: SmylzHaha, my opinions on this matter are always unpopular.
Sorry, I've had a bad day.
s'alright.
what's this argument number 9 million we've had either here or on MSN over this issue
and to comment on what Landa said, despite it being done before, this is the most active I've seen a topic for several days now.
i felt like what Landa said was a bit of a moot point. If she thought that the subject had been mentioned too many times, maybe she should've just ignored the thread.
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Quote: Smylz
Domestication is a product of human intervention, anyway.
I personally don't believe we should be killing animals solely for pointless fashion accessories, either to adorn our bodies, or our living rooms. Sure, once upon a time hunting animals for their skins and furs were essential to the survival of mankind, but in modern day western society, it is no longer a necessity.
Unfortunately, food is still very much essential and conscious choice aside, we're omnivorous creatures. Don't get me wrong, I would like nothing more than to eat free range and organic food products all the time, and know that no animals were badly mistreated in the process of lining my stomach, I just can't afford too.
Nothing else on the planet needs humans to survive, save domestic pets.
Domestication is a product of human intervention, anyway.
I personally don't believe we should be killing animals solely for pointless fashion accessories, either to adorn our bodies, or our living rooms. Sure, once upon a time hunting animals for their skins and furs were essential to the survival of mankind, but in modern day western society, it is no longer a necessity.
Unfortunately, food is still very much essential and conscious choice aside, we're omnivorous creatures. Don't get me wrong, I would like nothing more than to eat free range and organic food products all the time, and know that no animals were badly mistreated in the process of lining my stomach, I just can't afford too.
Fur. I was wondering if you were to have a fur farm or what ever you call it. Raise the animals until they die of old age. Will the fur be of any use or would it have aged too much? 
Humans do evil and good in this world. Would like it to change so evil no longer exist, however not likely to happen. Reasons: Greed of money, power and material.
Humans do evil and good in this world. Would like it to change so evil no longer exist, however not likely to happen. Reasons: Greed of money, power and material.
Quote: Team_Forti
well done
Quote: SmylzHow many animals does it take to make a coat?
On Average…
21 - 45 coyote
18 - 54 lynx
45 - 135 possums
20 - 60 otters
42 – 126 foxes
40 – 120 raccoons
8 – 10 seals
60 – 180 mink
That's because they're sh*t at sewing.
well done
Quote: Your_Mum
That was my point
Anyway, I was having a bad day yesterday, when I have a bad day I take it out on the human race and its flaws
I don't think all humans should be exterminated, just that they have false illusions about their importance. I'm not crazy, except on Wednesdays.
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Yes, ideally nobody should be forced to be vegetarian because of their beliefs. As the majority of vegetarians I know are not against the principal of eating animals as they accept the human body is designed to do so, they do not eat meat as a sign that they disagree with cruelty. If there was no cruelty, they would not feel guilty about eating meat.
But that's in an ideal world, before you start That Thing.
Domestication is a product of human intervention, anyway.
That was my point
Anyway, I was having a bad day yesterday, when I have a bad day I take it out on the human race and its flaws
I don't think all humans should be exterminated, just that they have false illusions about their importance. I'm not crazy, except on Wednesdays.
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Unfortunately, food is still very much essential and conscious choice aside, we're omnivorous creatures. Don't get me wrong, I would like nothing more than to eat free range and organic food products all the time, and know that no animals were badly mistreated in the process of lining my stomach, I just can't afford too.
Yes, ideally nobody should be forced to be vegetarian because of their beliefs. As the majority of vegetarians I know are not against the principal of eating animals as they accept the human body is designed to do so, they do not eat meat as a sign that they disagree with cruelty. If there was no cruelty, they would not feel guilty about eating meat.
But that's in an ideal world, before you start That Thing.
Quote: Smylz
yes but...
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... if I may finish regardless how you look at it, your ending a life just to eat. Even in this "supposed" ideal world, things would still die before they would if nothing ate animals, even if it were a quick and painless (as painless as death can be) death. They'd probably still feel guilty for being the reason an animal had to die sooner than it should've such is the patheticness of vegetarians as that'd be considerred wrong too.
Now I'll let Gillian argue that Vegetarians don't mind if nothing suffers.
Yes, ideally nobody should be forced to be vegetarian because of their beliefs. As the majority of vegetarians I know are not against the principal of eating animals as they accept the human body is designed to do so, they do not eat meat as a sign that they disagree with cruelty. If there was no cruelty, they would not feel guilty about eating meat.
yes but...
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But that's in an ideal world, before you start That Thing.
... if I may finish
regardless how you look at it, your ending a life just to eat. Even in this "supposed" ideal world, things would still die before they would if nothing ate animals, even if it were a quick and painless (as painless as death can be) death. They'd probably still feel guilty for being the reason an animal had to die sooner than it should've such is the patheticness of vegetarians as that'd be considerred wrong too. Now I'll let Gillian argue that Vegetarians don't mind if nothing suffers.
Quote: Smylz
Now you're just offending folk.
Obviously some vegetarians are vegetarians because they don't like killing pretty little animals in principle, even if they were all put up in a 5 star hotel and given a painless lethal injection as means of death. There are extremists.
People become vegetarian for different reasons, you cannot label them all "pathetic" for standing up for their beliefs. If it was so pathetic, why would so many people do it?
But the majority of vegetarians I know by no means every single one on the planet would eat meat if they knew the animal had been killed in what they would consider a humane way. Since this is impossible, they do not eat it. Voilá.
. such is the patheticness of vegetarians as that'd be considerred wrong too.
Now you're just offending folk.
Obviously some vegetarians are vegetarians because they don't like killing pretty little animals in principle, even if they were all put up in a 5 star hotel and given a painless lethal injection as means of death. There are extremists.
People become vegetarian for different reasons, you cannot label them all "pathetic" for standing up for their beliefs. If it was so pathetic, why would so many people do it?
But the majority of vegetarians I know by no means every single one on the planet would eat meat if they knew the animal had been killed in what they would consider a humane way. Since this is impossible, they do not eat it. Voilá.
if I may say two things 1) that was a joke. 2) you quoted yourself as having said what I said
seems hypocritical to me to say you'd eat meat if you could guarantee it wasnt hurt when you stopped it from living.
seems hypocritical to me to say you'd eat meat if you could guarantee it wasnt hurt when you stopped it from living.
Gah.
1. Your jokes wind me up
2. The quote within quote thing confuses me.
And naw, guaranteeing it wasn't hurt isn't possible, but killing in a humane way with the least amount of pain possible is.
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1. Your jokes wind me up
2. The quote within quote thing confuses me.
And naw, guaranteeing it wasn't hurt isn't possible, but killing in a humane way with the least amount of pain possible is.
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