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Milton_Dreams

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26^th May 2005 at 1:16 pm

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Who should Englands final representative be if UEFA don't allow Liverpool to defend the Champions League?

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Dinglebutt

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26^th May 2005 at 1:25 pm

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well, if Uefa dont allow Liverpool to defend the title then it'll be Everton in the Champions league, but I know what you mean. You mean should Uefa let Liverpool in. I personally dont think so. This happened before a good few years ago, I cant remember to who, but they paid Real Zaragoza to let them take their place. That wont happen now though, as the Champions League is worth a lot more money now, and Liverpool aint exactly Chelsea, even with the cash prize for winning the Champions League. So I think we'll see Everton there next year

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26^th May 2005 at 2:32 pm

I still think its bloody stupid that the team that finishes 4th gets the chance to compete in the first place.

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Dinglebutt

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26^th May 2005 at 2:34 pm

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they need 32 teams to make up enough group stages. No point having only the top 3 teams from england go through and the top 5 from Spain

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Chris Kamara

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26^th May 2005 at 3:39 pm

I don't see why this is even a debate. The rules were submitted at the start of the season. If Liverpool were intent on being in next years champions league, they shouldn't have played f*cking diabolical most of the season and finished 5th. Everton beat them to 4th place fair and square.

And I agree with Joel
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I still think its bloody stupid that the team that finishes 4th gets the chance to compete in the first place.

damn right it is.

Milton_Dreams

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27^th May 2005 at 3:58 pm

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Quote: Pablo_the_Uninspired_

I still think its bloody stupid that the team that finishes 4th gets the chance to compete in the first place.

Agree with you there, I think first and second places is enough.

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Milton_Dreams

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27^th May 2005 at 3:59 pm

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Quote: martin_

I don't see why this is even a debate. The rules were submitted at the start of the season. If Liverpool were intent on being in next years champions league, they shouldn't have played f*cking diabolical most of the season and finished 5th. Everton beat them to 4th place fair and square.

And I agree with Joel
damn right it is.

Or third?

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Milton_Dreams

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27^th May 2005 at 4:00 pm

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Don't Liverpool take part in the World Club Championship as well?

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John Cage Bubblegum

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27^th May 2005 at 4:17 pm

Quote: Pablo_the_Uninspired_

I still think its bloody stupid that the team that finishes 4th gets the chance to compete in the first place.

Agreed. I'd switch it back to winners only myself. But then, that won't happen because of the impact it'd have on TV revenue.

As for the bin dippers, they finished 5th (37 points behind Chelsea) and as such, they do not deserve to be in the competition next year. There's no way Everton should make way for them, either.

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Albi The Racist Dragon

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27^th May 2005 at 4:39 pm

Quote: Milton_Dreams_

Don't Liverpool take part in the World Club Championship as well?

I think so, I'm not entirely sure whats happening with that as they seem to just make up the rules down the pub. It's in Japan sometime this year.

Not to be confused with the World Club Cup, which is a one-off game between them and the South American champions, in Tokyo, early next year.

Milton_Dreams

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28^th May 2005 at 10:05 am

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To be fair it's harder to knock out Juventus, Chelsea, Milan, Leverkusen, Olypiakos, etc and win the Champions League than it is to finish 4th in the Premeirship beating the likes of Blackburn, Southampton, Charlton, Villa

, West Brom, etc. I think the FA were trying to pull a quick one by giving Everton the final place, hoping that if Liverpool won the Champions League, they could con an extra Champions League place out of UEFA.

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Chris Kamara

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28^th May 2005 at 10:14 am

I think they just plain didn't expect Liverpool to win and thought all the talk about it was going to turn out to be over nothing. Even when they got to the final, it was still favourable for Milan to win it. To an extent, I agree with this:
Quote: Milton_Dreams_

I think the FA were trying to pull a quick one by giving Everton the final place, hoping that if Liverpool won the Champions League, they could con an extra Champions League place out of UEFA.

Milton_Dreams

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28^th May 2005 at 12:34 pm

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Man Utd fans I know are gutted Liverpool won the Champions League and I have enjoyed winding them up about it.

Why did you get rid of Cantona, looked a cool sig.

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John Cage Bubblegum

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28^th May 2005 at 12:42 pm

Quote: Milton_Dreams_

To be fair it's harder to knock out Juventus, Chelsea, Milan, Leverkusen, Olypiakos, etc and win the Champions League than it is to finish 4th in the Premeirship beating the likes of Blackburn, Southampton, Charlton, Villa , West Brom, etc. I think the FA were trying to pull a quick one by giving Everton the final place, hoping that if Liverpool won the Champions League, they could con an extra Champions League place out of UEFA.

Well, if it's so easy to beat Premiership sides, how come Liverpool didn't? The rules are simple, and Liverpool failed to qualify from a weak Premiership. Fair play to them for winning it, but they simply weren't good enough in the league this year. Everton finished 4th, fair and square. It's a bit of a joke the 4th placed team qualifies, but still.

And I honestly don't think the FA could have foreseen a Liverpool win in the Champions League. That lot can barely tie their own shoelaces.

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Chris Kamara

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28^th May 2005 at 12:42 pm

yeah it was an ok avatar but i never keep the same ones for long. il put it back on at some point. it only took a few minutes to construct.

and yeah all the liverpool fans are enjoying their fun.

Milton_Dreams

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28^th May 2005 at 1:06 pm

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Seriously I think on the pitch United are in for a couple of hard years, by their standards.

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Chris Kamara

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28^th May 2005 at 1:12 pm

oh yeah, unquestionably. give the younger players time to gel and get a bit better and we might have a better chance, but as things stand we have too many sh*t squad players making the first team and until they're filtered out we're going to have problems. the older players perform on their day, but their day doesnt come round as often as it used to.

John Cage Bubblegum

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28^th May 2005 at 1:19 pm

I don't see anything other than a good few years of Chelsea domination, unfortunately. Hopefully Abramovich will get bored sooner rather than later, though.

As for United, I think big changes are required. Our squad is full of absolute sh*te (Miller, Kleberson, Bellion, Phil 'Pele' Neville, Fletcher) while a replacement for Keane is desperately required, as well as a new keeper who is actually worthy of the shirt. Problem is, there's no money.

But at least we've got rid of Roy Carroll.

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Milton_Dreams

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28^th May 2005 at 1:19 pm

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Quote: martin_

oh yeah, unquestionably. give the younger players time to gel and get a bit better and we might have a better chance, but as things stand we have too many sh*t squad players making the first team and until they're filtered out we're going to have problems. the older players perform on their day, but their day doesnt come round as often as it used to.

Can't believe we (Villa) got conned into buying Djemba-Djemba, he's awful

I think if you buy a descent keeper, Paul Robinson for instance, you can build a team from there. Not a United fan, but I don't think any English club should be brought by somebody like Glazer, just to make them themselves even richer.

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Milton_Dreams

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28^th May 2005 at 1:21 pm

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Not keen on the way Chelsea have bought their success, but thats football for you.

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John Cage Bubblegum

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28^th May 2005 at 1:22 pm

Sorry, but I'm so glad we got shot of Djemba-Djemba. We should have had a 'buy one get one free' offer and chucked in Fletcher, too.

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Milton_Dreams

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28^th May 2005 at 1:25 pm

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Quote: Samurai_Hedgehog_

Sorry, but I'm so glad we got shot of Djemba-Djemba. We should have had a 'buy one get one free' offer and chucked in Fletcher, too.

I'd have taken Fletcher, he doesn't look a bad player from what I've seen, then again I don't see him week in week out like you guys.

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Chris Kamara

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28^th May 2005 at 1:26 pm

no djemba djemba was fantastic, it was like when we sold butt

Chris Kamara

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28^th May 2005 at 1:27 pm

i'm tempted to say fletcher might prove decent enough in the future when he hits puberty and fills out into a man, but its not looking promising from what i've seen. although he did ok in the final few games of the season.

Milton_Dreams

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28^th May 2005 at 1:28 pm

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Quote: martin_

no djemba djemba was fantastic, it was like when we sold butt

You're right he's brilliant, you can have him back for

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John Cage Bubblegum

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28^th May 2005 at 1:29 pm

Fletcher is dismal. No pace, no strength and precious little skill. Goes missing in every single game. Can't decide whether he's at Djemba's level though. Not many players are.

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Milton_Dreams

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28^th May 2005 at 1:31 pm

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Quote: Samurai_Hedgehog_

Fletcher is dismal. No pace, no strength and precious little skill. Goes missing in every single game. Can't decide whether he's at Djemba's level though. Not many players are.

What about Kleberson?

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Chris Kamara

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28^th May 2005 at 1:33 pm

AGHHG! not the K word!
sweet child of mine, he better not be here come august.

John Cage Bubblegum

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28^th May 2005 at 1:58 pm

Kleberson is shocking, definitely. But even he's better than Djemba. Which is clearly not saying much.

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Captain Spiky

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29^th May 2005 at 2:42 pm

Cockwomble

Surely everyone would agree that if UEFA grant Liverpool a 5th place in next season's competition then fair enough, but no way should that place be at Everton's expense.

Now that we're here we may as well go too far.

JM

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2^nd Jun 2005 at 9:58 am

I'm sure i read something saying Inter Milan might be the team to make way. If that's true, it's hardly fair seen as Inter are candidates for winning the cup.

Milton_Dreams

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2^nd Jun 2005 at 11:40 am

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Quote: martin_

AGHHG! not the K word!
sweet child of mine, he better not be here come august.

I'm sure Mr Ellis will generously take him off your hands

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Milton_Dreams

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2^nd Jun 2005 at 11:42 am

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It's simple kick out the champions of Wales or Northern Ireland and let Liverpool take their place and they can have Liverpools spot in the UEFA Cup, plus a million quid as a sweatner.

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JM

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3^rd Jun 2005 at 12:04 pm

Yeh they did, but the Welsh FA told them to go and jump, and that they would give another Welsh side the place if that happened.

Chris Kamara

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3^rd Jun 2005 at 11:47 pm

They shouldn't, in my opinion. It's ridiculous. In principal I can understand it, one side has more chance of progressing further than the other, but both sides were aware of the criteria they had to meet at the start of the season. Just because Liverpool produced countless inept performances in their league campaign, it doesn't mean they should take the place of a team that earned the right to qualify for the champions league on merit.

JM

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4^th Jun 2005 at 12:45 pm

Spot on, Martin. Personally, though i'm still amazed they managed to win the thing to be crowned the best team in Europe

They won't win it for another decade now anyway so, what does it matter if they defend it or not.

Captain Spiky

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4^th Jun 2005 at 2:09 pm

Cockwomble

Quote: JM_

i'm still amazed they managed to win the thing to be crowned the best team in Europe

Yes, it's crazy. Everyone knows that the best team in Europe is Newcastle United.

_{What? Why is everybody laughing?}

Now that we're here we may as well go too far.

JM

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4^th Jun 2005 at 3:40 pm

*dreams*

Well we're a big club apparently, whatever the hell that means these days

Captain Spiky

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4^th Jun 2005 at 9:55 pm

Cockwomble

It means we have a massive fan base, all of whom spend their lives in a state of bitter disappointment and vengeful anger.

Now that we're here we may as well go too far.

JM

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5^th Jun 2005 at 4:35 pm

haha spot on. My dad's only renewed one season ticket this year, because he's becoming so sick.

You even get a

Milton_Dreams

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10^th Jun 2005 at 12:30 pm

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Quote: Bloo_

It means we have a massive fan base, all of whom spend their lives in a state of bitter disappointment and vengeful anger.

Could be worse you could have to support Villa and have to put up with Ellis making promises all the time and not spending money on players, at least Shepherd will put his hand in his pocket

Solano what a bargain

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JM

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10^th Jun 2005 at 1:58 pm

Ahh, so Liverpool have been allowed to defend the trophy. What a waste of time, they have no hope of retaining it at all

Chris Kamara

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13^th Jun 2005 at 12:01 am

well after all the hype, i'm not really surprised they're allowed in the competition. but i hear the scousers are still complaining.
imagine that.

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13^th Jun 2005 at 10:57 am

Dismantling a person is sometimes necessary...

It annoys me right up does this...the rules for last season were set out from the start of last season and 'pool knew they'd only be able to qualify for next season's champions league via a top four finish...I thoroughly agree that the defending champions should be able to defend their title in the following season, but the rules were laid down and I genuinally believe that you should play to those rules, despite them being stupid.

Lucky b*ggers.

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